Monday, October 14, 2013

Egocentrics Hate to Suffer...





Since the Big Bang, causally determined actions have unfolded along evolutionary lines completely absent any action egocentrics could apply to alter or reverse this direction simply because egocentrics did not exist, but were to become ineradicably linked to that natural predetermined causal pattern. 



Nevertheless, the moment egocentrica mammalia got the bright idea that he had a 'self' floating around somewhere between his ears, he immediately fabricated a belief system to match that delusion and then attempted to remove himself from the unfolding actions of the natural order. 

However, for centuries he did attempt to live in accord with the patterns of the causal order by cooperating with it. Yet, by believing he could CHANGE the direction the causally determined universe has been following, long before fat-brained, belief-vomiting egocentrics were allowed the opportunity to manifest as living organisms, egocentrica mammalia sought to remove himself completely from that order by fabricating fictional realities that he proclaimed more significant than the causally determined universe that spawned him. 


If egocentrica mammalian's ridiculously stupid beliefs were NOT supposed to exist and cause chaos and destruction, the determined causal order would have seen fit to extract them from it's natural order of things. Yet, the fact that egocentric beliefs exist, demonstrate quite conclusively, that they are a part of the natural order.  In other words, you're supposed to believe that patently fictional bullsheit that you now believe.


By making fiction more real than fact, egocentrica mammalia embarked on his own eventual destruction simply because even “he” is a fiction. Nevertheless, he has ordained his fictional self with universal importance above and beyond what the predetermined causal orde has in store for him. However, he does all this with the full and complete blessings of the predetermined causal reality that gave him existence, because he has no choice. He can believe he is outside that order (fictional bullsheit), but he cannot remove himself and he never has...

This belief that egocentric humans could somehow alter the direction that has been determined by a universe, that allowed them to exist in the first place, continues on to this day and all because egocentrics hate to fooking suffer. Suffering is a necessary criteria of the natural order and you should be blissfully happy to be a part of that. It is bona fide proof you exist.


The fact is clear. The universe desires egocentrica mammalians do exactly what they do or what they do would not be done. Ergo, the obvious conclusion is that egocentrics are preordained to fook up the planet and there is absolutely nothing they can do to reverse that direction. All because egocentrics hate their suffering, even though the natural causal order has ordained that they MUST suffer.

Egocentrica screams at the universe, “I refuse to suffer!” Obviously, the universe that allows for a predetermined causal order that created egocentrica mammalia, doesn't even hear his constant bleating. 

Egocentrica mammalia seeks to end suffering because he believes it should not be there, even though the natural causal order, that gave him life, so decreed it exist exactly as it does. Yet, once you recognize that suffering is an inherent and crucial part of existence, why seek to relieve it? Same as death, which is also an inherent and crucial part of natural existence. Why seek to prolong life? Why seek to heal the sick? Why complain about gassed children in Syria? Why seek to stop wars from occurring if it is universally preordained, else they would not occur at all?

The obvious answer is that egocentrica mammalia, as a species, is as much universally preordained to start wars as he is to seek an ending to war and this cannot be altered or tampered with to achieve any appreciable change in this dualistic equation. Centuries of war and peace have demonstrated this fact and all the spiritual religious hocus pocus in the world will not make a speck of difference in altering this fact ever.

I love how spiritualists throw around the concept “collective consciousness” as if in the collective consciousness were nothing but pink ponies and unicorns. Any consciousness collective would have to have as much blood and gore as it has rainbows and cuddly bunnies. 

But you cannot bust outa the programming and the programming has always informed that life is “sacred.” This perception has been cause of much suffering, simply because the predtermined causal order of the natural world holds nothing sacred.

There are essentially 2 types of suffering. Natural and man-made.

Natural suffering is based on nature’s complete indifference to our fabricated fictions about the sacredness of life and how one should conduct one's life in the “sacred” time one is allotted. Nature cares not a spit about your family, your education, your career, your bank account, your business, your possessions, your body, your status, your life, etc, etc, nature, very simply, doesn’t give a rats patoot about YOU. It can take you out in the most horrendous ways regardless of the "truths" you value, simply because its Truth trumps all others.

Nature is utterly and blatantly indifferent to our values, i.e., honor, respect, compassion, love, truth, spirituality, friendship, justice, equality, sacrifice, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseam. These, and millions more like them, are fabricated fictions and are the 2nd type of suffering. They simply do not exist anywhere in the natural world and to adopt them as the purpose and nature of your existence is to adopt suffering

As you might know, based on the "happiness scale," the happiest people reside in Calcutta, mostly in abject poverty and squalor. They need deal mostly with natural suffering and significantly fewer fabricated fictions as the U.S., who scored very low on the happiness scale and whose population takes the lead for most antidepressant medication use.


And now we are watching a great deal of our fictions began to dissolve into the nothingness from which they arose, with much hand wringing and gritting of teeth.


There will not be one great collapse, just the ebb and flow of marvelous waves of great suffering. The suffering must go on. Egocentric man exists to suffer. That is his purpose, no matter how hard he stamps his feet demanding it be gone and, it should now appear obvious, that after centuries of unabated suffering, his purpose is to suffer and die. What other purpose has the universe allotted him? And all his attempts to relieve his suffering through constructing ever more complicated fictions through which to conform, simply create additional suffering because nature simply does not care.

So carry on...suffer and seek relief, suffer and seek relief, suffer and seek relief, on and on, over and over, ad nauseam...and then die (look at this in your own existence).

Such is the actual purpose of egocentrica mammalia. Hence, the question asked is how does one exist in a predetermined causal order in which one’s purpose is to suffer and continuously seek relief from that suffering because one believes it should not exist?

Just that and nothing more…

(However, there are those who have adapted to the predetermined causal order and are free of the need to have it any other way. But you rarely meet those folks, because their anonymity is part of that realization).


18 comments:

  1. [quote] Egocentric man exists to suffer. That is his purpose, no matter how hard he stamps his feet demanding it be gone[/quote]

    This is contradictory and therefore meaningless. If you were to say ‘Egocentric man exists, therefore he suffers’. I would agree but, that we exist TO suffer (for the PURPOSE of suffering). is just the same made up nonsense you argue against on this blog


    [quote]i.e., honor, respect, compassion, love, truth, spirituality, friendship, justice, equality, sacrifice…simply do not exist anywhere in the natural world[/quote]

    The DO exist in the natural world, unless you somehow believe human thought is somehow outside the natural world, is somehow privileged or special. It is not, it lies within the natural world. And these concepts evolved from the complexification of the universe since the big bang. To say that they do not exist in the natural world is to imply a duality that is not anywhere evidenced.


    [quote] Why seek to prolong life? Why seek to heal the sick? Why complain about gassed children in Syria? Why seek to stop wars from occurring if it is universally preordained, else they would not occur at all?[/quote]

    Because it is more aesthetically pleasing, and this aesthetic preference also arose through the complexification of the natural world found in the universe.

    I think you took a wrong turn somewhere, your conclusions based on what you believe are the facts are, and not remotely supported by the very facts you suppose. The universe seems to be a meaning generating machine, and humans seem to be an expression of that ongoing process of complexificaion and meaning generation. You, here on this blog, are trying to disprove the meaning that arose by the natural process of complexification by making up meaning that belies the meaning that has arose in the universe, do you see how contradictory your post are?

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  2. "This is contradictory and therefore meaningless."

    Of course it is. Are you seeking meaning?

    Suffer and die. Egocentrica really has no other purpose and it is guaranteed that of all the fictions he invents to avoid this realization, he must and will face it.

    "The DO exist in the natural world, unless you somehow believe human thought is somehow outside the natural world, is somehow privileged or special."

    Nope. No such conceptualizations anywhere outside your head. Indeed, that was the point, egocentrica mammalia DOES believe he is special and that his "thought" provides special powers beyond the natural world. However, the universe did endow him with this capacity so he cannot be blamed for doing exactly what he is ordained to do. Invent fictions for which to hide from death.

    "Because it is more aesthetically pleasing, and this aesthetic preference also arose through the complexification of the natural world found in the universe."

    Aesthetics or beauty are fictions, not found anywhere but in egocentrica's head and he never fails to superimpose his fictions upon the natural world.

    "The universe seems to be a meaning generating machine, and humans seem to be an expression of that ongoing process of complexificaion and meaning generation."

    Nope. The universe is meaningless just as is nature. However, egocentrics project meaning upon what it experiences and demand it be as he proclaims. Nevertheless, the predetermined causal order just chugs along heedless of egocentrica's demands as to what the universe is and how his life should be.

    Sorry, my post caused you such indignation, but thanks for the comment.

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  3. “Of course it is. Are you seeking meaning?”

    As are we all, even you with your strange fiction.



    “Nope. No such conceptualizations anywhere outside your head.“

    Yep, your irrelevant protestations aside, since my head exists in nature and nowhere else , the conceptualizations exist in nature. You seem to find it important that exist outside of egocentric conceptualization, but why is that a requirement?

    It seems equivalent to saying that those processes that only happen in stars, and that are responsible for the generation of all matter in the universe, aren’t ‘real’ because those process are not found anywhere outside of stars. The processes that are responsible for the generation of meaning only happen in egocentric conceptualization, which exists in nature, as surely as do the stars.

    Simply proclaiming it doesn’t exist in nature really doesn’t fly.


    “Aesthetics or beauty are fictions, not found anywhere but in egocentrica's head and he never fails to superimpose his fictions upon the natural world.“

    Once again I agree they are only found in egocentric conceptualization, which is only found in nature and nowhere else, therefore the aesthetics or beauty is part of nature, or said another way, part of the complexification of the universe.



    “Nope. The universe is meaningless just as is nature.”

    Except what is self generated through the complexification of the universe in nature.



    “Sorry, my post caused you such indignation, but thanks for the comment.”

    No indigestion on my part, I suffer not from your malaise.

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  4. "As are we all, even you with your strange fiction."

    Not necessarily. Some are done with all that, contrary to your generalized presumption.

    "Yep, your irrelevant protestations aside, since my head exists in nature and nowhere else , the conceptualizations exist in nature."

    Indeed they do and a more thorough reading, separate from knee-jerk brain spasms, would have shown that I make this point. The paradox is that the egocentric's fictional existence is a part of the causal predetermined order that allows egocentric thinking to seek more and more to extract himself from that very order that spawned him and allowed his brain based capacities to seek an exit.

    I agree that even the belief of being separate from the natural order is part of the natural order. So it appears we both agree on the complete lack of free-will, which is generally the theme of most all previous posts. Egocentrica is endowed to remain part of a predetermined causality, but is equally endowed with the delusion that he can be free of that order and hence, he magically fabricates fictional exit ways that only multiply the many ways he can suffer unto death. He must do this because he has no choice, since it all is predetermined and started long before his existence was even "known" by him.

    I merely describe the condition of egocentrica mammalia. I offer no solutions, because there is no ego-centered solutions available in a predetermined causal universe, just the delusion of such which is also part of that order.

    But sorry if the descriptions are too bleak for fragile sensibilities...

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  5. Hey Mike - there is an old saying: "the pen is mightier than the sword". And a comment by that rascally old rabbi, Jesus of Nazareth, which he ostensibly uttered: it is not what a man puts into his mouth, but what comes out of his mouth that defiles him. Somehow, the anonymity of the internet allows one to put a little extra sauce on the pitch, you could say, and the batter gets really pissed when the ball is already in the catcher's mitt even before the swing.

    If suffering is egocentric disagreement or dissatisfaction with whatever happens to be "happening" in any given situation, then enlightenment has to be the recognition that the very sensation of existence is suffering. As long as "you" exist, there will be suffering, by definition. This is definitely a very hard pill to swallow. If we have to exist without cease, then suffering is our sole destiny.

    You have definitely been messin' with people's brains lately - no doubt on purpose. It's kind of a ballsy thing to do. I think what you should do is turn completely upbeat and positive for a while - that will really melt the neuronal connections of your blog readers!

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  6. "If suffering is egocentric disagreement or dissatisfaction with whatever happens to be "happening" in any given situation, then enlightenment has to be the recognition that the very sensation of existence is suffering."

    Not sure about "enlightenment." However, discussing the idea of suffering as necessary, based on the unfolding indifferent predetermined causal order, also has an...experience attached not related to the concepts. But this is difficult to communicate, although it does significantly alter ones perception and gives new meaning to the proclamation, "my life."

    "I think what you should do is turn completely upbeat and positive for a while - that will really melt the neuronal connections of your blog readers!"

    Ha! Right. Puppies dogs, cuddly bunnies and rainbows.

    Believe it or not, I was once like that! (shudder the thought)

    I think most have to go through that stage, i.e., meditation, Zen, chakras, energies, vibrations, Ken Wilber, etc, etc, before one can move to the next stage (personally speaking)

    Thanks bro!
    Mike

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  7. Why though mike . Why are we created to suffer? Is it so we stop believing in our egocentricity?

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  8. Dunno.

    Maybe to accept that we're entirely ego-centered and all that comes with that...

    ?

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    1. What if we stop believing in our thoughts? In our self? Bye the way my favourite blog has to be hey, lets all play the bullshit game! X

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  9. Maybe "believing" that the 'self' is based on an aggregate of neuronal impulses we call "thought" (neuroscience is stating as much). Most likely we'll never stop believing in a 'self,' but possibly we could take it less seriously.

    And thanks! "hey, let's all play the bullsheit game" was fun to write.
    Mike.

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  10. Mike what about infinite players. You wrote in (Dreamacious) that thay are absent fear and do not suffer?

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  11. Many find it difficult to comprehend, but there's a sense of freedom in understanding that there is no free-will and this puts a new spin on fear and suffering. I refer to those who have that understanding as infinite players.

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  12. Thanks mike, they say the source and cause of all suffering is the belief in a seperate person in a separate world x

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  13. Indeed. A separate self contingent on free-willed autonomy in order to remain separate, cannot long persist upon finally understanding that it has never asserted a free-willed choice that was not entirely influenced by conditioned brain circuitry or external events/conditions.

    However, it's not like a 'poof!' but more like a long drawn out 'sigh'
    Mike

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  14. Mike check out livinginpeacethenaturalstate - the purpose of personal perception. It explaibs it so well that the purpose of personal perception is to maintain the pain! Without suffering the ego cannot exist.

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  15. whats up mike. I have been reading your blog for some time now, and I agree with what your saying, in that free will by an autonomous entity is impossible. However what difference does this knowledge bring? all it is is another story in the head, another story to grab hold of to reference oneself in some way in order to avoid who knows what. I bring this up as I have been believing in the story that there is no such thing as free will, but after a year or so of holding onto this story I began to realize that now I just have a another central story line to orient myself in my life. To me this just felt dead and numb, and not alive. Seeing that the 'there is no free will' is just another storyline to base a self off of, has seemed to clear up some mental fog.
    So I guess my question to you is, do you feel in your experience that this no free will story is just another belief in your head? I read a quote once which I strongly relate to: "reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesnt go away" Philip K. Dick.
    So in other words if we are talking about nonduality or enlightenment or whatever, we can just as easily call it 'reality as it is' Not even needing the unnecessary story line of 'there is no free will'.


    peace.

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  16. I will check it out.

    Thanks!
    Mike

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  17. Hi Sunny,

    "So I guess my question to you is, do you feel in your experience that this no free will story is just another belief in your head?"

    Excellent point and the answer is an unequivocal YES.

    Just like any other story....

    However, what I find more interesting is how I got to it which, when I reflect back, was completely beyond my control. A patterned sequence of events, good and bad, that sculpted my neuro-circuits in just the precise way, to bring me TO that "story."

    Another thing I've always enjoyed is creative writing, which is kinda odd, cause I hated school and dropped out. So I suppose you put the two together and Voila!

    Any story is as good as another. However, if there is no free-will, then who chose the story. It's almost as if the story was provided to you and I've talked to those in their twilight years who have realized as much.

    But I understand this is not everyone's cupa joe.

    But I feel compelled nonetheless to write and I have no idea what will pop up next. I'm usually somewhat surprised as to what arises and when.

    In fact, I was recently toying with the idea of writing non-duality porno.

    Dang! Now where the fook did that idea come from???

    Thanks!
    Mike

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