Saturday, February 21, 2009

AWAKENING: Before and After?




I used to participate in social forum threads discussing spiritual subjects. Unfortunately I tend to piss off the serious ones, so I no longer hang out there. However, I do continue to read the discussions and today I came across this quote regarding ‘awakening’ experiences:

“This really brings up the 'readiness' question, big time. How can we survive an encounter with something so profound and contrary to our ordinary experience that we can hardly remember it when we 'wake up' from 'the dream.' the profound experience of awakening or “being exposed to your truth.”
If you experience awakening as a “profound experience,” and contrary to "ordinary experience," how can you be "awakened"? Would an 'awakened' mind differentiate between a profound and an ordinary state of mind? If you discriminate between a time of ‘awakening’ and a time of ‘not awakened,’ then are you not simply making an egoic interpretation rooted in time?

How can there be a 'before' and an 'after' to absolute truth?

The ego makes dualistic contrasts, such as before and after or ordinary and profound, and this is commensurate with its capacity and need to judge. More likely your "profound experience" is simply egoic mind hoping that the neurochemical imbalances, experienced from hours of meditative trance, are the Big Shebang. We have learned that for this 'awakening' to occur we need to cook our soup with many years of sacrificial practice, mixed with the stock of spiritual-religious ideology. This is the usual paradigm of awakening and we expect to be removed from ‘ordinary’ consciousness to a realm of ‘profound’ consciousness as reward for all our hard work. If you expect it, be assured your experience will be 'profound' but it will most likely not be any ego-free, timeless truth.

Notice the blatant dualism in the interpretation. This seems to be the time-trap that many aspirants fall into. As if there were a dualistic interpretation to what is what is true in all situations at all times. “Who” is it that makes the contrast between ordinary and awakened? Can I know myself as awakened and still remember (memory-time) myself as ordinary? Or does my ordinary self disappear to become a new profound self? Is there an integration or a transcendence or merely just a transformation?

Can I slim down my obese ego through the right spiritual diet?

ABSOLUTE TRUTH

But for absolute truth to be true, it must be absolutely true all the time, since there can be no such thing as part-time truth to what is absolute. So how can there be a “time” when truth is not true? Can absolute truth be 'ordinary' one moment and 'profound' the next?

Many would contend that truth is always true, yet we just don’t know it... yet.

But how could that be? For truth to be true, it must always be known as true, otherwise it’s not truth. For absolute truth to be true it must be known always and immediately and there can never be a time when it is not known. To say that there is a time when truth is not known, or that we are unaware of truth, is to deny such a thing as absolute truth. You can’t deny it, otherwise how could it be true. Absolute truth is true all the time, no matter what you do to deny it, since it can't be denied.

Notice how the serious spirtualists apply the paradigm of relative truth to what is absolute. There are many relative truths I may not be aware of, but I can never NOT be aware of absolute truth, otherwise it could not exist as absolute, which means 'true' in all circumstances, at all times. Therefore, the Many is as much an absolute truth as the One. So why do you only seek only the One by denying the Many?

“I once was lost, but now am found.” Obviously, you were never lost and there is nothing to find. So then, what are you looking for and who is looking? Is it the ordinary “you” seeking the new, improved and more profound “you”? Nope, its just “you.” There is no 'ordinary' before or 'profound' after.

I recall the neurochemical whiz-bangs I got, many years ago, after several days of 6 hour zazen and some robed 'master' slapping a whisk broom across my shoulders. Wow! That was no ordinary experience. In fact, I thought it was pretty damn “profound”! All I needed was the right ideology through which to make sense and that was spoon fed to me from the start.

Many would argue that the concepts used are merely "fingers pointing to the moon." Subsequently, I too, point to the moon, but only to inform that there is nothing to point to, because there is no moon (“Good night, moon”).

Of course, most folks don’t like me tinkerin’ with their profound experiences. Wouldn’t want the awakened ones to ever doubt their “truth.” However, if you really want “awakening” then let doubt be your guide and fill your mind. Because doubt is the absolute truth and you will never know a more profound and infinite experience. It must be, because you know it NOW and you will know it always. Doubt is one thing you will never be without.

When you no longer seek to be surprised by profound moments of truth, you will be surprised by the ordinary ones. Ooops, HA! Just had one there…Ooops, there goes another. Ah, what the heck, might as well keep it going!

11 comments:

  1. "When you no longer seek to be surprised by profound moments of truth, you will be surprised by the ordinary ones."

    haha, that's awesome. It really is in the ordinary that the profound resides. :)

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  2. right on... love that sentence too.

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  3. Thanks Guys,

    It took me 300 posts to finally say something worthwhile. Ha!

    mikeS

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  4. haha

    The part about letting doubt fill your mind, I've tried that and found it to be severely limiting when fully developed.

    It's very helpful to begin questioning the mind and begin loosening its grip on what you perceive to be truth, but if you lock yourself into doubt, you block yourself from subsequently opening up to the truth you already know within.

    Rather than saying "I don't know" and settling down in the negative position, I've found it more helpful to open up the possibility that the truth may be something other than I believe.

    It's more of a sense of openness, curiosity and discovery rather than a sense of doubting.

    Even a willingness to be crucified and toss away all that you've picked up along the way, rather than protect yourself through doubt.

    Doubting can be a very helpful part of the process in loosening the mind, but it can also become a trap if one gets stuck there. I definitely got trapped in this one for a while... :)

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  5. Ariel,

    Could it be that "openness, curiosity and discovery" are the same as doubt? Would doubt fuel those qualities? For, if we had NO doubt, what would need be discovered, why be curious?
    But, yes, doubt is as much a trap as any other.

    Thanks,
    mikeS

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  6. hmm MikeS,

    It sounds like a subtle difference, but it's really important.

    What happens when a knowingness arises, be it your intuition, your heart, your inner self.. whatever you want to call it. If you begin doubting even that, you will never know anything.

    There's a difference between believing and knowing.

    What if you do know? What if you are open to discovering the knowledge that may already be there?

    "I don't know" is a different energy than "I am open to discovering the truth, whatever it may be. It may be there. It may not. I an going to investigate."

    One is an opening. Another is a rejection and a closing.

    Would one do anything if they already knew? Have you ever watched a movie you'd already seen before? Why'd you watch it again? Did you doubt that the ending would be different this time?

    Probably not. You simply wanted to enjoy the experience of the movie.

    We can do things, not just because we're full out doubt and want to figure it out, but also because we simply enjoy the experience.

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  7. Ariel,

    So what is it you want to know, that doubt will keep you from?
    I agree that 'doubt' tends to have a negative or contractive connotation (maybe if we capitalize it and make it "Doubt!" LOL)

    Doubt drives the seeker and if one discards doubt I would imagine one is asserting and end-point to Truth. But Truth is infinite and so will be the learning of it (IMHO).

    Anyway, great comments!

    Thanks,
    mikeS

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  8. Are you interested in seeking or are you interested in knowing that you're already there?

    Because you can only do one at a time.

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  9. You can only do one at a time!

    But, Ariel, was that rule determined in time or timelessness. In time, it would seem that you are correct. However, it seems to me that the paradox to be grasped is that seeking and finding are ONE.

    Can your mind hold both perspectives simultaneously, seeking and finding, one and many, time and timelessness. That way nothing is negated and everything is included.
    In my limited opinion, once you set a rule to the Truth, the Truth is lost.

    But I'm just saying...

    Thanks!
    mikeS

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  10. You say:

    Of course, most folks don’t like me tinkerin’ with their profound experiences. Wouldn’t want the awakened ones to ever doubt their “truth.” However, if you really want “awakening” then let doubt be your guide and fill your mind. Because doubt is the absolute truth and you will never know a more profound and infinite experience. It must be, because you know it NOW and you will know it always. Doubt is one thing you will never be without.
    ......

    You are not an 'awakened one' but it seems are just a geezer or a 'geezeress'(I haven't spent enough time or effort here to find out)
    who is filled with doubt...if you ever meet a wise person they will tell you 'that the one or the 'thing' in you that doubts ...is in the true spiritual reality(which you do not seem to know about) ...is not the Truth of You.

    To put it more plainly because from the little I have read of the ramblings of your ego I don't think you are the brightest match in the box...I will even say it in capital letters to make it easier for you to read and hopefully understand...not now..you are obviously not capapble in this life but maybe in some future life..who knows?

    THAT WHICH DOUBTS IN YOU iS NOT YOU.

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  11. I cannot remember who said this dumb statement and can't Be bothered to look through all the other dumbness to find out.
    'Truth is infinite and so will be the learning of it'
    ....
    You do not learn Truth...You Be It.


    Mikes.
    Did your parents really give you that name or was it your ego?..anyway, you say:

    ' recall the neurochemical whiz-bangs I got, many years ago, after several days of 6 hour zazen and some robed 'master' slapping a whisk broom across my shoulders. Wow! That was no ordinary experience. In fact, I thought it was pretty damn “profound”! All I needed was the right ideology through which to make sense and that was spoon fed to me from the start'
    .......

    It is a pity, I think, that you didn't take some proper drugs and that the robed geezer didn't hit you with a roadsweepers broom.

    I am sure you would have been a better person for it and you might noedays, know... or at least have some idea of what you are talking about.
    ...
    What is True in you will not Be offended by the above words. What is not true in you probably will be.
    If you are offended and therefore are unreal and appear to be only the bodymind ego or false sense of 'me-ness'
    and thinking crap creature in your head maybe it is time to look for what is real in you.

    A good place to start is your Heart.
    Not your body heart but the True Heart of you
    which can be kind of sensed or Known roughly in the same area.
    The true person or Being you are..or Truth..is not in your head and cannot be found by thinking.

    If you ever seem to, or feel that have a choice of being the false, crap, me-ness of ego in your head....
    or of Being the 'me-ness' or Beingness of your Heart...

    Be Truth...

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